Norjan terrori-iskut 22.7.2011

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Nappasin vg:n palvelimelta raporttien sivut kuvina ja muutin ne ohjelmalla, joka tunnistaa kuvasta tekstin(OCR), tekstimuotoon. Tein tämän siksi, että tahdon raportit tekstimuotoisena, jotta minä voin kääntää ne google translaattorilla. Tekstintunnistus kuvasta ei ole tarkkaa varsinkaan kun kuvien laatu ei ollut kovin hyvä ja minä en osaa norjaa(enkä edes ruotsia), mutta jollain tavoin se onnistui. Muistakaa, että lopputuloksessa saattaa olla satoja(ehkä tuhansiakin) OCR-ohjelman tekemiä kirjoitusvirheitä. Mikäli haluatte raporttien sivut alkuperäisessä kuvamuodossaan(esim. kaikki kuvat pdf tiedostossa), niin alempaa ette niitä löydä. Alempana oleva paketti sisältää kuvien tekstisisällön muutettuna tekstimuotoon.

Tein tekstimuotoisista paketeista .doc, .txt, .docx ja .pdf versiot ja pakkasin ne samaan pakettiin. TXT-tiedosto on varsinkin helppo kääntää googlessa, tosin sen joutuu tekemään osissa. Paketti löytyy seuraavista paikoista:

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Aikaisemmin täällä kummasteltiin, kun lehdessä breivikin väitettiin sanoneen 'opiskelleensa psykologiaa 15 000 tuntia'... Randi Rosenqvistin raportissa breivik kuitenkin sanoo käsittääkseni opiskelleensa yleisesti asioita 15 000 tuntia. Hän ei sano opiskelleensa psykologiaa 15 000 tuntia. Eli tämäkin taitaa olla taas merkki toimittajien lukutaidottomuudesta.

Täältä löytyy linkki raportin sivuun, 15 000 -maininta löytyy ihan sivun alusta:
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Käänsin google translaattorilla Randi Rosenqvistin raportit nyt englanniksi. Raportit ovat sen verran lyhyitä, että voin ne quotee tänne. Käännökset ovat epätarkkoja, mutta kyllä niistä silti sisältöä löytyy. Raportin loppupuolella breivik puhuu siitä, mitä hän ajattelee mielentilaraportistaan.

Ila Prison and detention institution NOTE
The Director, in
Contact: 08/18/2011
Randi Rosenqvist
PRELIMINARY PSYCHIATRIC ASSESSMENT OF THE SITUATION AROUND ANDERS BEHRINGER BREIVIK.
At the request I prepared here a note on my review of ABB's situation here at Ila. I do this despite the fact that my information about ABB is inadequate. I have read some of what has been in the newspapers, I have read his posts on dokument.no and I have been unsystematic information from the prison. I have not had direct contact with him. This is the premise of this note to be seen as a preliminary assessment.
Based on what has come out of his lengthy and thorough preparation of the attacks,
. I consider it as if he has developed a significantly improved ability to plan and deferral of need satisfaction (good • impulse control) than most inmates in the institution.
From what he has actively written publicly about their ideology for a long time before the attacks, while he secretly wrote on his so-called manifesto in which his views have been much more dramatic, I interpret that he has a good ability " double-entry bookkeeping ", he manages to sort it he wants to go public with, and that he will not announce until a dramatic moment. This requires good cognitive function, ability to judge what is profitable to communicate and what should be kept hidden, and again, good impulse control.
It's remarkable with ABB is, as I see it now, his utpregete narcissistic personality with grandiose ideas. He has also demonstrated the ability to not show empathy with the victims, the extent to which this indicates a fundamental relationship disorder, pure dyssosialitet or as a schizotypal disorder, I need more information to consider. It is the information I have about ABB no evidence of psychotic functioning today, although his opinion of his own personal reality seems quite questionable.
His functioning in prison is characterized that the politeness and acceptance of the limits as officials and health workers are working under, even though he probably will take it. He had NOK expected a rougher treatment in prison and is surprised (and pleasantly surprised?) That he will not be abused.
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It may seem as if he the first ten days were relatively "high on adrenaline and action", and then got a float towards depression before he again took up its efforts to plead its case, which has put him in bed. Mood. It is also possible that these fluctuations are related
with different psychoactive substance came out of the body. He may have had a transient `withdrawal period (epinephrine or other substance).
He has served in various interviews and on-site inspection, has talked to experts and their attorneys. Hm has received special treatment in prison in the form of access to computers on your cell. He has also noted the many extraordinary circumstances surrounding his person, transportation, high readiness, construction of the glass wall in conjunction with the Department G, frequent inspections through the door, etc. It is unclear what he had expectations of prison, he has not known what it is reasonable to ask whether and which control the other inmates are subjected to, yet he must have been aware of the extraordinary efforts of his person.
He has been employed daily by health professionals who have not found reason to consider him as in need of treatment or suicidal.
Risk assessment with recommended management measures:
ABB seems increasingly to be a man with a mission. He has been willing to go to extreme acts allegedly to bring out their message. There will still be an opening for his motivation for the attacks have been other, more complicated than he expresses. He stated that he wants to use the criminal case as a podium to reveal their ideology. He also stated that he knows that 95% of Norwegians today will despise him, but said that he asked for a few years will be a historical hero.
I believe that this, in the context of the above, suggests that ABB themselves will want to stay alive until the trial is over. I would think that he does not want to be interested in performing "ordinary" violent crime as harming people in the Baths, he NOK needs for his criminal acts to be spectacular. His good impulse control NOK will also prevent a sudden violent impulse of acute frustration.
It is likely that the time mid detention orders may be vulnerable periods. I assume that he will continue, as he has hitherto done, to come with different requirements that neither the court or the prosecuting authority can comply. I assume that he "must" do this to maintain their self-esteem, he is probably most interested in the noise around such claims than they actually performed.
I think that in the autumn will be able to spend much time writing notes to his defense, and that this is an activity in which he confirms himself and thereby get better. The prison should continue to pave the way for him to do so during the day when he is not busy with other things (interview, interview with defense counsel or experts). His "manifesto" was 1500 pages, and he managed to write this without confirmation from the outside world. This is something that makes me assume that he is able to write for hours and enthused by their own arguments. If he stops writing when he can, the reason should be sought. There may be some good reason for this, but it can also be a sign of despair.
He has since he came to Ila provided the spark of life in percentage. Zero percent would indicate apathy, during the assault he would have been 95%. He has stated that he does not necessarily suicidal at 0%, but if this continues, he may be. He has stated that he has at least ten methods of suicide (which he calls "self-termination") is in prison. I think that there's no point in placing too much emphasis on these percentages. He is nevertheless able to "trick us" if he wants to be perceived as non-suicidal while he was planning a suicide.
In my opinion it is more reason to consider his general activity level. He should bleed / trim every day. He has stated that he trains in the cell for several hours each day,
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which is unlikely as he has observed. Aerobic exercise training outside their own cells will be positive, officials should record objectively intervals and intensity.
As it gets smaller events around him, when experts and prosecutors finish calling, institution should facilitate the activities of his isolation. Physical activity has already been mentioned, he should be encouraged to read and listen to music / watch TV. After conversations with the police is closed, it is reasonable that the officials are talking more with him. It is recommended that you still do not talk about his case, even though it may be difficult to steer clear, that one is talking about TV programs, music, other news, etc. I think ABB needs to emerge as the big man in such calls, I do not see it as appropriate officials of trying to "jack him down," but they must certainly can not act as seduced by his thoughts.
I find it likely that the great psychological case first will come when the trial is concluded. He will then have existential problems - "this was all ???". Prisons must consider care. For the time being, I think it's good for the security that he feels mg as a VIP prisoner, which he indeed is. I think that prison is a minimum problem with him as long as he can maintain his façade, his megalomane self-esteem and level of activity.
It can of course be that the time until trial is still long for ABB and he develops a depressive reaction and wonder what it's all he has done, with the consequences it will have for suicidality and more. However, I find this less likely. I find it more likely that if his psychological defense fails, he will be manic psychosis with obvious delusions, in contrast to today's situation where he has an inflated ego and appear to be formed and controlled.
Randi Rosenqvist Psychiatrist, Senior Advisor
3,
Correctional Services
Ila prison and forvanngsanstalt
NOTE
The Director, in
Contact: 01/11/2011
Randi Rosenqvist
NEW ASSESSMENT, ANDERS BEHRINGER BREIVIK
The prisoners have been at the facility in about three months now. In this connection, I have been asked to update the risk assessment I wrote 18.08.2011. This assessment is based on the log material written by department head ~ for the period August-October and a call in an hour with the prisoners on 1 in November 2011.
Information from log
The log that is kept by department seems thorough and covers what is essential in the monitoring of inmates.
During the fall, ABB had significantly more variation than the other inmates in Department G usually have. He has had conversations with police, advocates, forensic psychiatric experts, the health department here and the priest, besides the supervision of the institution staff. It seems as if questioning and other calls have led to significant mental stress, although he obviously has always been tired when questioning has gone into the evening.
The inmates also have access to a PC (cleared by the police) to write on and some certified games music, books for individual approval from the police, and the treadmill. It is purchased new TV / DVD player. He also has access to air in the air jet. On the show, he has remained reasonably busy, and I can not see any symptoms of any isolation stress, although he after a few weeks said that it was harder than he had imagined. He has expressed dissatisfaction with him are little informed in advance about what will happen. This is for safety reasons. The only time he observed transient stress is when it happened other than he had expected (eg conversation with experts instead of PC-cell).
ABB has fairly extensive use of aeration, he has worked on his computer when he could, but he has less use of the treadmill, even though he explained the importance of training the major muscle groups and aerobic exercise. It seems that he is more interested in weight training for upper body, something he will be offered for security reasons.
The mental condition looks from the log to be stable, with some days that are a little heavier, some days are easier. August 1 and September they were a part concerned with his own assessment of mental impairment / mental level as a percentage. This says less about now, and I think it is
well that he has not received much attention on these percentages. It may, from notes to ~ seem like he has tried to use these numbers as a bargaining chip. He has failed, and the interest on the percentage returns has slowed. It should also be noted that if he really meant to hurt himself, he would, in my opinion unlikely to have provided information about his mental level was 0% over time. He has generally been polite and asked relevant questions and answers accepted. In the few occasions it has been observed slightly delayed response, but it has been transient and probably because he has thought about or expected anything else, not mental reduction.
Sleep is generally reported as stable, although some nights he has slept later than other days. There is no comment to make food, he has also received help to buy food, he is particularly fond of (noodles). Custom-making is good, he is perceived as concerned about their appearance. It is somewhat surprising that he really had gone into tails at the show in court.
Health department has had initial daily conversations with him, now it's cut down to 3 times a week, once a nurse, once a general practitioner and a psychiatrist once. They have so far found no signs of severe stress reactions that have been in need of intervention.
Assessment of the log:
I find the quality of history very well, and believe that this is a good tool to monitor his condition.
In many ways it may seem strange that ABB has shown no signs of despair, depression, sleep disturbance or obvious mood swings. He has certainly tried to use his mental state (separate measured in percent) to negotiate on matters which he wishes to achieve, but has also taken off smoothly.
This I interpret as the custody situation has not yet given him some emotional insight into the morally reprehensible of acts he has committed. It seems contrary that if he ever thinks that he has a point in the future will be considered as a whole. This I perceive not as signs of psychotic functioning, although in my opinion is clearly reality bursting. From a prison point of view, care for him undoubtedly easier as long as he keeps this grandiose show, he is basically satisfied with the situation, although it can be boring.
Minutes of conversation 1 November 2011.
I introduced myself and explained that I was a psychiatrist and director advisor with regard to prisoners who had forvaringsdom and psychological problems, and that I would talk to him to hear how he was doing at the moment. I said I knew that the health department also talked with him, but they had a duty of confidentiality, unless it was necessary to share information with the Director to avoid serious injury. To this he replied that it was a pleasure to talk with someone who held the national goal of association.
We talked about his daily functioning. He said that the first few weeks were difficult as it was a big transition from being active all the time, but now it's okay. He compares the prison with the kindergarten and says you can call on to get the pacifier or bottle (smokeless tobacco or cigarettes). He is concerned with daily exercise, he gets it in the air jet is not so interested in cardio (aerobic exercise on a treadmill). I said that I understood well, but that he had to prepare for the marathon, and then had to also have the condition. He was more interested in intellectual training, he said that he plays games on the PC, where he builds a city, it was important intellectual stimulation. He would like to have more time with your PC. Otherwise, he reads a series of books about different countries' history (?). He has access to the film on DVD in the new TV. He sleeps well and perceive themselves as mentally healthy.
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He says he has 15,000 hours of study behind him before he got here, and that he has taken account of these lessons. This would indicate academic skills, but he has not had any wish to accredit their knowledge (graduate). He said he has not killed anyone, but executed in connection with the civil war that is declared in Europe after Bondevik and Vollebæk by NATO went into the Balkans. His operation that he had authorized was intended to convey his manifesto. My remark that it probably was not particular to the text if he could not pass it without such criminal acts, 'he answered friendly and intuitive with the censorship that takes place in the country. He says that he has renounced everything, family, friends, freedom to spread the word. He knows that 15% of Norwegian men are fans of what he has done, and that there will be more. He tells how he was several years ago saw it as his task
to rescue Europe from the deconstruction and demographic warfare that Muslim stands for. •
Mental status: ABB is interested in friendly conversation with me. He gives apparently good contact, and consider NOK me in the same social class as himself. He explains his ideas thoroughly, there are no signs of loose associations, illogical speech, new words or latency in his speech. He uses some foreign words with a slightly different meaning than usual. He is quiet motor. He does not depressed, elated or labile. Provocation on my part met with a friendly correction. He seems satisfied. An hour's conversation did not seem to tire him out, he could certainly have had a long talk with me about their political beliefs. In conversation he seemed to project their own opinion of me, he was partly didactic, partly, he told me what he assumed that I meant.
In summary rating:
Based on the department manager's log and personal conversation with ABB, I find that he is in good mental shape. I see his deviant statement as an expression of an extreme ideology, not in any way as a psychotic reality. This, however, the forensic psychiatric expert, who has had substantially more information about him than me to decide.
We know from history many sects with religious or ideological point where members advocate ideas about the world and the hereafter as a few other parts. Such sects can be quite small or involve many people. Although some of these sects may be based on a charismatic leader with delusions and reality bursting experiences, for example, on the basis of epilepsy or transient toxic psychosis, is not it true that all members have delusions in psychiatric terms, or other severe psychopathology. We know that these sects seeking internal affirmation, and for a long time (generations) maintain beliefs that society at large is not in any parts.
I believe that ABB is within such a system. It is unclear to me whether he has many minded, but he has expressed to me that he has built much of the British, or rather English movement and sought contact with the Norwegians with the same ideology, although in According to him are thousands of these. As long as he is safe in this universe can be said that he lives in a "bubble", but that he lives reasonably well in this "bubble".
Naturally, this "bubble" burst, but I do not think it's going to happen anytime soon, if ever. The experience of being isolated in prison have not affected his conviction of having a mission in relation to the entire Nordic indigenous people, a mission we all want to thank him for about a decade. These three months have not caused any further mental stress after the first few weeks of adaptation. I do not think that the new month corresponding stay here will change this. When he eventually gets access to the media, they will be read biased and thereby confirm his own sense of importance, not give him the objections.
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As I wrote in August, I find it likely that if his verdensbillede cracks, he will rather be manic psychosis and another mega Loman (megalomaniac) than depressive. That is, he will then be motor restless and more demanding, he we might stop to sleep normally and he will no longer be perceived as quiet and polite.
I expect, however, have problems with him. He has received clear messages here at the Department G on what he can do and what he can not do. This deal, he politely and smoothly to. This should continue as hitherto. I can not see that there are some signs of insulation damage at present.
It should be noted that ABB NOK is very concerned about fellow human beings think about him and that he interprets his own in 'in which he speaks with. This he demonstrated by immediately "be friends" with me and tell me about my bourgeois conservatism, in contrast to his militant conservatism. He has been keen to learn the employee's name. It can get to a situation in which employees feel abused, feel that they are given positions of ABB that they have not. This can be prevented by the employees to continue to not talk to him about the matter, and that they receive guidance on how it is to maintain contact over time with such a projecting inmate. ABB is clearly concerned with the image others have of him, and will appear as well-detailed and 'well-trained (and apparently happy in uniform). It may be okay if his appearance not be an issue for officers, but also his need for aeration and aerobic exercise, healthy food and healthy circadian rhythms.
I can not see the need for more frequent inspections from the health service. The log manager leading institution provides good information on ABB's functioning from day to day and from week to week. I do not think one should put too much emphasis on certain days differs little from the ordinary, it seems to me that he pretty much work stable with slight variations. I do not think that he is suicidal. If my assessment proves to be wrong and he goes inside a depressive state, I believe the department staff will be able to detect this.
Randi RnTåds; invgerviipsstykiater
Correctional Services
Ila prison and detention institution
NOTE
The Director, in
Contact: 20/12/2011
Randi Rosenqvist
ON CALL WITH ANDERS B BREIVIK December 19th 2011
By agreement, I had another conversation with Breivik after I had read parts of the psychiatric erldæringen and I had understood that he had. I had a call at about 3 / 4 hour, at 1345 on 19 December.
Initially, I reminded the prisoners that we had talked together 1 November. I said then that I had been surprised when I on 3 November had heard from his lawyer that I should have told him things from the media coverage of his case at the time he had media bans. He stood amazed at this and wondered what I should have told him. I did not. He was very apologetic if I had vanskelighter because of this, which I denied. I just said that I had assumed that he had lied about this. Then he thought that it was the lawyer who had made a "dirty to." in connection with legal proceedings a few days later. This he would take up with the bailee next day.
I took up the forensic psychiatric statement. He said that he felt again in 10-20% of the experts had referred. The rest was fiction, or that the experts had referred topics he had discussed the manifesto, but that he had not taken a final position on. I asked if it was possible he had said these things in the long conversations that probably was tiring. This he denied. He also denied being irritated with the experts and tried to bluff with extreme views.
I asked him then what he thought about the experts' conclusions, this took almost humorous, and said that he felt again at all.
I then asked what he really meant by the story that there should be a avlsproduksjon of people with a Nordic background. He said this was just an opportunity to bring up the birth rate as in Norway was 1.4 and should be higher. He had discussed the manifesto. Another measure would be to stop encouraging women to higher education, but rather focus on home and family, and possibly give the man the "right" to the children. It meant he would discourage divorce and give several pregnancies. He believed that such measures would be discussed until it was too late.
He argued further that Statistics Norway estimates of how many Muslims there would be Norway in 2050 was incorrect. He pointed out that the SSB had no register of who had any religion. Register for membership in the religious community could not be used, for it was only a minor part of the Muslim who was associated with a mosque. I then asked if he believed that the
others had gone underground, or if they were secular. He believed that many were assimilated, and they had nothing against. He stressed that he was neither racist or national socialist.
I then asked if he thought he should be prime minister or president or something similar. This he denied, he said he was just one of many militant fortsoIdater. He confirmed that he had been in London at the foundation of his order and later in Libya at the time of important meetings (Liberia? Out can not recall) and that the police had found the passport temples that confirmed this. He stressed that there are many in Europe who think like him, but he is the first to have acted militant in Norway.
My question if it was not immoral to kill as many innocent people were answered that it was immoral not to do something about the danger that Europe is facing. He said that Norway was different now than before 22 July, and he hoped the opposition in the community were more clearly. Then there could be a settlement (revolution?) Earlier, a settlement which then could be overcome. If you did not speed up this process, the settlement will not come until it was too late. He explained that most Muslims in Norway vote Labour, so it was in that party's interest to import as many voters as possible. I stood amazed at this and said that I just found it natural that people who fled from authoritarian dictatorships voted with the left side. His comment was that if it had imported people from Japan, they would have voted Tory
He stressed that he was for all people's right to own land, Sami is also a utfolk in Afghanistan is the Pashtuns, in Tibet, Tibetans, and all had the right to own land. When it came to migration in historical times, it seemed as though he had no special relationship to this. I asked what he thought about the EU. He said that he definitely was for free trade, but were more uncertain about open borders. He said he did not know what he thought of the Schengen Agreement.
He then took up the people with his political opinions had been censored and refused publication of arguments, therefore, was the assassination necessary. He continued that for years had been the political opposition in the asylum. After the Second World War, many of Rinnan gang running the asylum, the same happened with Justice Minister Mikkelsen. You would not take their opinions seriously. I said I only knew of the Minister Riisnæs. What I knew about Riisnæs was that many said he had "screamed themselves to" an admission in order to avoid being executed, and I had never heard of any Justice Mikkelsen. Breivik said that perhaps it was Riisnæs he thought.
Finally, I asked what he thought about it that he NOK should be here a long time, he replied that he was not expected ever to be released. He said he would read the entire forensic psychiatric statement at Christmas, and that he looked forward to trial in April. He said that he and his counsel had discussed whether they would require two new experts, but it could take a position on the July I made it clear that when there was hardly a trial in April, it seemed he had not thought of, but he said that the need to consider.
APPEARANCE:
The whole conversation took place in the educated and friendly forms. Breivik showed different emotions, he thought something was entertaining (the experts' conclusions) and some were severe (the future of Europe). He had normal facial expression. He was handcuffed, and body movement was somewhat reduced. He did not seem in any way provoked by the fact that I accused him of lying, it seemed more as if he rejected the possibility, but realized that I could believe something like that. He stressed that the police had not taken him in one lie, which I said I did not know about. He added that he did not want to tell the police everything.
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The call progress fluently. He made good contact, and adapted their arguments to my questions. There was no latency or strange associations. The sentences were normally constructed. In this conversation was not until unusual wording. He showed flexibility in our discussion of Justice Riisnæs, but an over-bearing security in our discussion about how many Muslims would be in Norway in 2050. It seems that he wants to appear theoretically very well read with careful reasoning, but I find it surprising that he has little general historical knowledge and support their claims rather poor.
He turned to the camera in the room and said that this conversation course were recorded. I said I did not know if it was saved. It does not seem to be something paranoiditet in this. It was not until the second paranoid delusions (persecution, control of thoughts or megalomane performances) during the call. The perception of people with his political opinions are censored in Norway today, does not seem to have a psychotic quality.
In this conversation, he was clear that he did not have great prospects, but would remain in prison as a foot soldier. This disproves a grandiose idea, unless he "knows" that he really going to be ruler, but woe to ger a appear humble in conversation with me. If so, then he manages very well to appear "normal" while he's psychotic material that he can not announce. I have experience with some psychotic people can do this, but they appear rather taciturn, do not discuss end and are either silent or dismissive, or clearly psychotic when they are provoked or contradicted.
I will however note that he seems remarkably detached from what he has done. It seems that he regards it as an impersonal necessity. I have not qualified to assess whether he has seen it all more like a computer game than reality. His behavior indicates, in my opinion, clear differences in personality.
Rating:
I can not find signs of psychotic functioning. However, I'm not sure if he is telling the truth, even if he tries to give that impression. One could have hypothesized that he redefines the information he gets on a psychotic basis and thus have a reality questionable perception of the reality he has been through. I find this session. I find it more likely that he, like most of us, putting information and experience into the world view he has formed. Thus he confirmed his own point of view. In the process he forms his own opinion that he consciously or unconsciously trying to manipulate the environment with.
I think he clearly is able to say something and mean something else. Therefore, one must assume that if he had a desire to harm themselves or others, he would not have announced this. It seems that he is now most concerned to make arrangements for a trial where he we have the whole world as an audience. I assume therefore constantly that he will not act out destructively before trial.
I see no reason to change the prison's handling of him, it appears that the procedures in section G is adequate and that he has one, as appropriate, good quality of life with an intact life-lie.
Randi Rosenqvist Senior Adviser / psychiatrist

[Pertti Luukkonen]

Kiitos kovasti!

[Pertti Luukkonen]

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslo ... vurdering/

RETTPSYKIATRISK ERKLÆRING

AVGIFT DEN 29.11.2011 TIL OSLO TINGRETT
TIL OPPNNEVNELSE AV 29.07.2011
med komplettering av mandat 11.08.11
Saksnr. 11-120995ENE-OTIR/08

O B S E R V E R A N D E N:

NAVN: BREIVIK ANDERS BEHRING
FØDT: 130279|||||
ASTA ØST/ILA LANDSFENGSEL OG FORVARINSANSTALT
SIVILSTAND: UGIFT
YRKE: NÆRINGSDRIVENDE
NASJONALITET: NORSK

SA K K Y N D I G E:

NAVN: AVDELNINGSSJEF/SPES. I PSYKIATRI TORGEIR HYSBY
ADRESSE: DIAKONHJEMMETS SYKEHUS, PSYKIATRISK AVDELNING VINDEREN, PB 85, VINDEREN, 0319 OSLO

NAVN: SPES. I PSYKIATRI SYNNE SØRHEIM
ADRESSE: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| JOHANNESBURG, SØR-AFRIKA

Observaranden er ikke tidigare varit judisielt observert
Observaranden er ikke tidigare staffet

[Pertti Luukkonen]

Rosenqvistin nootit ovat erinomaisia!

[joey]

Erittäin mielenkiintoista tekstiä. Herää vain kysymys, että eikö ABB:tä todella voida pitää harhaisena yksin jo silläkin perusteella, että hän kuvittelee Eurooppaan instituutioita, joita ei todellisuudessa ole olemassa? Poliittisen ilmapiirin kokemisen ABB:n tavalla voi pistää yksinkertaisuuden tai ajattelemattomuuden piikkiin, mutta ABB:n maailmankatsomuksessa on paljon myös ihan puhdasta harhaa. Ja kuten tuossakin sanottiin, hän todennäköisesti valehtelee kroonisesti.

[Pertti Luukkonen]

Kyllä ainakin osin voidaan, mutta ovathan kristitytkin harhaisia merkillisine uskonnollisine oppeineen.

[Panu]

Herää vain kysymys, että eikö ABB:tä todella voida pitää harhaisena yksin jo silläkin perusteella, että hän kuvittelee Eurooppaan instituutioita, joita ei todellisuudessa ole olemassa?

Mihinkähän ABB:n kuvittelemiin instituutioihin nyt viittaat?

Poliittisen ilmapiirin kokemisen ABB:n tavalla voi pistää yksinkertaisuuden tai ajattelemattomuuden piikkiin, mutta ABB:n maailmankatsomuksessa on paljon myös ihan puhdasta harhaa.

Luetteletko joitain kohtia missä maailmankatsomuksessa on puhdasta harhaa?

Ja kuten tuossakin sanottiin, hän todennäköisesti valehtelee kroonisesti.

Valehtelu onkin merkki syyntakeisuudesta.

[strangelove]

Mielenkiintoista tekstiä, kiitos siitä! Kyllä Breivik täyttää mielestäni hyvin harhaisuuden ja psykoottisuuden "kriteerit". Otan jälleen esimerkiksi John Lennonin murhaajan Mark Chapmanin. Breivik ja Chapman ovat hyvin samanlaisia tapauksia. Molemmat elivät omissa harhamaailmoissaan ja sellaisiin perustuivat myöskin tekojen motiivit. Silti he pystyivät toimimaan järjestelmällisesti ja olivat suunnitelleet tekonsa hyvin huolella. Yhteistä on sekin, ettei kumpikaan tehnyt pidätettäessä vastarintaa tai yrittänyt itsemurhaa, vaan saattaessaan suunnitelmansa loppuun he antautuivat kaikessa rauhassa poliisille. Chapman on viimeisimmissä haastatteluissa katunut tekoaan ja myöntänyt olleensa poissa tolaltaan ampumishetkellä. Hän on myös kertonut hamunneensa teollaan julkisuutta ja hänen aikomuksenaan oli murhata myös lukuisia muita julkkiksia.

En tiedä, onko tämä "Norway Massacre: The Killers´s Mind" -dokumentti jo linkitetty tänne, mutta nyt ainakin on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb0a3aG1XbI

[Pertti Luukkonen]

Anders Breivikin kaksi isää, Jens Breivik (vas.) ja Tore Tollefsen, kertovat pojastaan ensi kertaa.

MOT: Joukkosurmaajan isät

TV1 maanantaina 16.1. klo 20.00 - 20.30 (YLE Areenassa 7 päivää)

Puoli vuotta sitten norjalainen Anders Breivik surmasi 77 ihmistä.
Breivikillä on kaksi isää, Jens Breivik ja Tore Tollefsen, joihin
hänen suhteensa katkesivat lapsena ja nuoruusiässä.

Nyt isät kertovat pojastaan ensi kertaa.

Tuotanto Norjan TV.

[Lukijana]

Oli ihan mielenkiintoinen ohjelma. Milloin uusi mielentilaraportti julkaistaan? Nyt on sellainen kutina, että melko lailla samanlaisen kirjoittavat, joskin pääkohta eli syyntakeeton/ei? saattaa muuttua kun harhoja ei pidetä niin pahoina.

[Panu]

Syyntakeisuuden toteamisessa pitäisi olla keskeistä se, että tiesikö tekijä toimivansa väärin. Jos näkee peikkoja ja mörköjä, ja näiden harhojen vallassa puukottaa jonkun, niin syyntakeettomuustuomio on paikallaan. Breivik tiesi kuitenkin täysin toimivansa väärin, hän tunnusti tämän jo manifestissaankin. Harhaisten ja breivikin välillä on tietysti paljon hankalia rajatapauksia, joiden syyntakeettomuutta on hankalampi arvioida, mutta breivik on onneksi tässä suhteessa selvä tapaus.

Tuo Norjan laki, että "todettu" mielisairaus tarkoittaa automaattisesti syyntakeettomuutta, on mielipuolinen ja täysin paska laki.

[Lukijana]

Oletko Panu varma että asia on noin mustavalkoinen? Toki Breivik varmaan ymmärtää että killing people is very baaaaaaaad (Frankensteinin hirviön äänellä lausuttuna), mutta ymmärtääkö hän silti "oikeasti" tekoaan?

Hän ei kuitenkaan kai ole psykopaatti ja silti ei ole jälkeenpäin kyyneltäkään vuodattanut uhrien takia. Tuntuu että hän on jossain omassa maailmassaan eikä ihan ymmärrä kokonaisuutta.

Psykiatrit totesi hänellä olevan paranoidinen skitsofrenia, mutta sanoivat ettei se ole aivan varmaa, sillä harhojen toteennäyttö on vaikeaa. Jos uudet psykiatrit toteaa hänellä olevan vaikka epäluuloisen persoonallisuuden joka on siis persoonallisushäiriö, niin silloinhan hänellä ei ole sairautta joka vaikuttaa ymmärrykseen.

Eilsiessä MOT:issa muuten sanottiin että Breivikin isoäidillä oli ollut mielenterveysongelmia ja vainoharhaisuutta. Ihan mielenkiintoinen tieto ottaen huomioon mielisairauksien periytyvyyden.

[Panu]

Oletko Panu varma että asia on noin mustavalkoinen? Toki Breivik varmaan ymmärtää että killing people is very baaaaaaaad (Frankensteinin hirviön äänellä lausuttuna), mutta ymmärtääkö hän silti "oikeasti" tekoaan?.

Meinaatko, että jamppa joka rakentaa yli tonnin painoisen pommin ja suunnittelee operaatiotaan vuosikausia, ei muuten ymmärrä mitä on tekemässä? Ei, kyllä breivikin kohdalla tämä asia on mustavalkoinen. Hän tiesi täysin mitä teki ja että teki väärin. Voin kuvitella, että joidenkin muiden murhaajien kohdalla tämä syyntakeisuuskysymys ei ole niin selkeä, mutta näin ei ole breivikin kohdalla. Breivik katsoi asiansa olevan niin tärkeä, että tarkoitus pyhittää keinot. Breivik kirjoitti manifestissaan näin:

I have been thinking about my post-operational situation, in case I survive a successful mission and live to stand a multiculturalist trial. When I wake up at the hospital, after surviving the gunshot wounds inflicted on me, I realize at least for me personally, I will be waking up to a world of shit, a living nightmare. Not only will all my friends and family detest me and call me a monster; the united global multiculturalist media will have their hands full figuring out multiple ways to character assassinate, vilify and demonize. They will possibly do everything they can to distort the truth about me, KT and our true objectives, and attempt to make even revolutionary conservatives detest me. They will label me as a racist, fascist, Nazi-monster as they usually do with everyone who opposes multiculturalism/cultural Marxism. However, since I manifest their worst nightmare (systematical and organized executions of multiculturalist traitors), they will probably just give me the full propaganda rape package and propagate the following accusations: pedophile, engaged in incest activities, homosexual, psycho, ADHD, thief, non-educated, inbred, maniac, insane, monster etc. I will be labeled as the biggest (Nazi-)monster ever witnessed since WW2.

Kuulostaako sellaisen ihmisen puheelta, joka ei tiedä tekevänsä väärin?

Hän ei kuitenkaan kai ole psykopaatti ja silti ei ole jälkeenpäin kyyneltäkään vuodattanut uhrien takia. Tuntuu että hän on jossain omassa maailmassaan eikä ihan ymmärrä kokonaisuutta.

Niin kuin joku, ennyt muista kuka, tätä tapausta kommentoinut sanoi... 'tunteettomuus ei ole vain psykopaattien etuoikeus'... Psykopaatti toimii itsekkäästi, eikä tunnusta tekojaan internettiin lataamassaan manifestissä. Breivikin motiivi on ainakin perusajatukseltaan altruistinen, joskin pirun vääristynyt. Breivik ei ole psykopaatti.

Psykiatrit totesi hänellä olevan paranoidinen skitsofrenia, mutta sanoivat ettei se ole aivan varmaa, sillä harhojen toteennäyttö on vaikeaa.

Minusta siksi olisikin hedelmällisempää tarkastella nimenomaan tätät syyntakeisuus-kysymystä, koska tällä on merkitystä oikeudenkäynnin kannalta. Varsinaisen diagnoosin voisivat sitten hoitavat lääkärit pohtia iteksensä ja ajan kanssa, sillä ei olisi vaikutusta tuomioon.

Minusta breivik on narsisistinen, fanaattinen ja mahdollisesti maaninenkin. Mitään skitsofreniaa ei tarvita. Vaikka breivik uudessa raportissa todettaisiinkin taas skitsofreenikoksi, niin sen ei pitäisi tehdä häntä syyntakeettomaksi.